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Obama and Biden to Celebrate Earth Day by Tying Up New York Air Traffic

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>> NEW PHOTOS: Air Force One, Marine One and Air Force Two Visit New York on Earth Day

On a day when many Americans will be reflecting upon how they can reduce their impact on the environment, President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden will board separate jets in Washington on Earth Day morning to fly 250 miles up the east coast to New York, where they will land at separate airports to attend separate events within a few miles of each other.

The parallel visits of Air Force One (a 747/VC-25 aircraft) and Air Force Two (a 757/C-32A aircraft) will delay dozens, if not hundreds of commercial flights at Kennedy and LaGuardia and other nearby airports as no-fly zones are implemented. Jets will be forced to circle and burn more fuel as they wait for the VIPs to come and go. Their security contingents consisting of dozens of cars, SUVs and helicopters will burn even more. Throw in thousands of commuters’ cars and delivery trucks sitting idle in traffic as law enforcement closes large swaths of the city and you have yourself a very Earth-unfriendly day.

UPDATE: Nevermind, we’re too busy partying with Christine Todd Whitman to worry about the traffic.

Disclaimer: This is a non-partisan post which I would be writing no matter who were in office. I’ve been known to complain when ANY president makes frivolous trips to New York, simply because it disrupts so many people and it is extraordinarily expensive. For both men to visit on the same day, especially a day of supposed environmental friendliness, is extraordinarily thoughtless, to put it mildly.

Thursday’s dual jaunt seems especially egregious considering the frivolous nature of Biden’s visit, in particular: He’ll be yukking it up with Whoopi and Barbara as a guest on The View. Not sure what he’ll be talking about, but you can be certain that whatever he has to say could be done just as effectively using a video camera and satellite hookup from the White House.

Meanwhile, Obama will be making a speech about new banking and finance regulations, a worthy subject, to be sure. Federal Hall on Wall Street, the site of George Washington’s first inauguration which stares directly at the doors of the New York Stock Exchange, would be the ideal location for this speech, but Obama will deliver it from…an art and engineering school? Any symbolism of delivering the speech in NYC is lost. He may as well save everyone the effort and talk to the nation from the Oval Office.

And by no means am I suggesting Obama and Biden should fly on the same plane. We learned all too painfully in Russia this month about why that is a bad idea.

Area planespotters will see the only benefit of this massive disruption, as they will get to see two of the most beautiful aircraft in the Air Force fleet. Judging by the flight restrictions published by the FAA, Obama will be arriving at JFK around 10am, and Biden will touch down at LaGuardia around 9am.

They will both depart by late afternoon, leaving many a frustrated traveler and commuter in their wake.



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  • Edwin

    So what would be your solution to the problem?

    • Guest_Yo,

      I'd take the train. theyre putting a big focus on it anyway.

    • Deedee

      At least Biden could have cancelled his appearance and moved it to a later date. Isn't the show taped anyway? Why is being on The View more important than people wanting to get home, especially those who may have been delayed for many days already due to the volcano?

    • uisignorant

      Oh I don't know, maybe fly together??? That is what they said the auto exec should have done.

    • If you have to ask you either blindly follow the crowd without question or you don't know how to economize.

    • Gubberment seems overly fond these days of foisting heavily subsidized rail upon us little folks in several areas, so let twiddle dem and twiddle dumb take trains into gotham, albeit separate ones. Bahhhhbwa and Whoopdedo already proved how VIPs can get preeminent service on NY rail.

    • Jose

      How about using smaller airplanes for these short commutes for once that do not use as much fuel as a 747 or 757…the rest of the non emergency staff can obviously go by train. Then how about flying to Stewart Airport instead of LGA/JFK/EWR (which get more air traffic) and then taking a heli from there to the city. I mean there are better alternatives than the one currently used…even webex to show how technology can help the environment….specially on earth day!

    • dave

      Keep them both home and use the satellite technology widely available to do what they're doing. Simple and eco-friendly isn't it?

    • dave

      Keep them both home and use the satellite technology widely available to do what they're doing. Simple and eco-friendly isn't it?

    • john gall

      well edwin,we could start by censuring this administration!Every time obama speaks,the stock market drops….am not the brightest american,but can see we are heading toward disaster!

    • Todd B.

      Put both the idiots on the same plane, and invite all muslims for a free flight on Airforce One , with no security screening, to New York from Washington D.C. Let them meet allah up close and personal

    • yep

      Let them fly the same plane and let it crash

    • yep

      Let them fly the same plane and let it crash

    • How about staying home, shutting up, getting that finger out of my face and working on JOBS and how to SAVE money!

      • mcsharry

        http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/recoveryanniversary/

        1st: the job situation has more to do with economics than politics. fiscal policy can't just shit out new jobs, and there's a lag between policy implementation and observed effects of said policy.

        2nd: stop whining you ignoramus, he's our president and has this stuff scheduled FOR HIM.

        • PapaBear

          1. If you are correct, then why does he keep preaching that he's created all these new jobs with his policies (as if).

          2. You really believe he had nothing to do with deciding he wanted to make this speech and when and where it would be given?

          You folks need to stop drinking the kool aid and use the grey matter between your ears.

        • Nonna Banonna

          Sure, he has a lot of staff to send him wherever they'll let him get face time. Our president has the largest ego of anyone I've ever seen and loves to go any place they have a TV camera. He is over-rated, under-experienced and has no idea what his ideas are going to do to this country unless it really is his IDEA is to turn it into a socialist progressive country under one world order. He may be President, but he isn't presidential.

          Secondly, the job situation has everything to do with politics as much as economics. The current political scheming has driven the economics into a screeching halt, with more and more people worried about government takeovers, bailouts, increased taxes, forced unionism, forced universal medical…and those are political moves that make no sense in an ecomomy that started a downturn. You don't create jobs when your government is being run by a bunch of leftist progressive liberals.

    • john gall

      praise the lord,and pass the ammunition!

    • Woodchuck Bill

      I don't know but, I think the entire country would be better off if both planes went down in flames.

    • mark

      there's a fucking reason our president and veep fly in different planes. come on dude are you seriously complaining about the president attending an earth day event?

      i hate whiners.

      • PapaBear

        Problem is, he wasn't attending an Earth Day event. He was pushing even more government regulation of the financial sector, which has exactly what to do with earth day?

    • Considering Obama and Biden want to shove cap and trade down our thorats to solve "global warming, how about they just appear on TV instead of jetting off for BS and showboating? Are you really that stupid Fred to not figure out these trips are not viatal to our national well being, and that vidoe feeds work just fine …. especially being "earth day"?

    • Rick

      what problem? biden should stay home

  • Edwin

    So what would be your solution to the problem?

    • Guest_Yo,

      I'd take the train. theyre putting a big focus on it anyway.

    • Deedee

      At least Biden could have cancelled his appearance and moved it to a later date. Isn't the show taped anyway? Why is being on The View more important than people wanting to get home, especially those who may have been delayed for many days already due to the volcano?

    • uisignorant

      Oh I don't know, maybe fly together??? That is what they said the auto exec should have done.

    • If you have to ask you either blindly follow the crowd without question or you don't know how to economize.

    • Gubberment seems overly fond these days of foisting heavily subsidized rail upon us little folks in several areas, so let twiddle dem and twiddle dumb take trains into gotham, albeit separate ones. Bahhhhbwa and Whoopdedo already proved how VIPs can get preeminent service on NY rail.

    • Jose

      How about using smaller airplanes for these short commutes for once that do not use as much fuel as a 747 or 757…the rest of the non emergency staff can obviously go by train. Then how about flying to Stewart Airport instead of LGA/JFK/EWR (which get more air traffic) and then taking a heli from there to the city. I mean there are better alternatives than the one currently used…even webex to show how technology can help the environment….specially on earth day!

    • dave

      Keep them both home and use the satellite technology widely available to do what they're doing. Simple and eco-friendly isn't it?

    • john gall

      well edwin,we could start by censuring this administration!Every time obama speaks,the stock market drops….am not the brightest american,but can see we are heading toward disaster!

    • Todd B.

      Put both the idiots on the same plane, and invite all muslims for a free flight on Airforce One , with no security screening, to New York from Washington D.C. Let them meet allah up close and personal

    • yep

      Let them fly the same plane and let it crash

    • yep

      Let them fly the same plane and let it crash

    • How about staying home, shutting up, getting that finger out of my face and working on JOBS and how to SAVE money!

      • mcsharry

        http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/recoveryanniversary/

        1st: the job situation has more to do with economics than politics. fiscal policy can't just shit out new jobs, and there's a lag between policy implementation and observed effects of said policy.

        2nd: stop whining you ignoramus, he's our president and has this stuff scheduled FOR HIM.

        • PapaBear

          1. If you are correct, then why does he keep preaching that he's created all these new jobs with his policies (as if).

          2. You really believe he had nothing to do with deciding he wanted to make this speech and when and where it would be given?

          You folks need to stop drinking the kool aid and use the grey matter between your ears.

        • Nonna Banonna

          Sure, he has a lot of staff to send him wherever they'll let him get face time. Our president has the largest ego of anyone I've ever seen and loves to go any place they have a TV camera. He is over-rated, under-experienced and has no idea what his ideas are going to do to this country unless it really is his IDEA is to turn it into a socialist progressive country under one world order. He may be President, but he isn't presidential.

          Secondly, the job situation has everything to do with politics as much as economics. The current political scheming has driven the economics into a screeching halt, with more and more people worried about government takeovers, bailouts, increased taxes, forced unionism, forced universal medical…and those are political moves that make no sense in an ecomomy that started a downturn. You don't create jobs when your government is being run by a bunch of leftist progressive liberals.

    • john gall

      praise the lord,and pass the ammunition!

    • Woodchuck Bill

      I don't know but, I think the entire country would be better off if both planes went down in flames.

    • mark

      there's a fucking reason our president and veep fly in different planes. come on dude are you seriously complaining about the president attending an earth day event?

      i hate whiners.

      • PapaBear

        Problem is, he wasn't attending an Earth Day event. He was pushing even more government regulation of the financial sector, which has exactly what to do with earth day?

    • Considering Obama and Biden want to shove cap and trade down our thorats to solve "global warming, how about they just appear on TV instead of jetting off for BS and showboating? Are you really that stupid Fred to not figure out these trips are not viatal to our national well being, and that vidoe feeds work just fine …. especially being "earth day"?

    • Rick

      what problem? biden should stay home

  • Guest

    How about using Webex instead?

  • Guest

    How about using Webex instead?

  • Fred2

    How about staying home and shutting up.

    • And acting like a President instead of as a candidate.

    • Rusty

      Bingo.

      • Really. I can't stand to hear Obama's voice anymore. He should stay home and try to do some work. This gallivanting around everyday shows he is just a mouthpiece Prez.

  • Fred2

    How about staying home and shutting up.

    • And acting like a President instead of as a candidate.

    • Rusty

      Bingo.

      • Really. I can't stand to hear Obama's voice anymore. He should stay home and try to do some work. This gallivanting around everyday shows he is just a mouthpiece Prez.

  • Abe Froman

    These are two pompous asses who think they are show business and their fans are waiting with ticket in hand to scream and swoon and they lie to us and waste our time.

    • DAN T CAMMACK

      FRED, YOU MUST BE A COMME ASS!

  • Abe Froman

    These are two pompous asses who think they are show business and their fans are waiting with ticket in hand to scream and swoon and they lie to us and waste our time.

    • DAN T CAMMACK

      FRED, YOU MUST BE A COMME ASS!

  • If he was Jack Bauer, Obama could get from JFK to Downtown in less than one commercial break minimizing his impact on the planet (and traffic).

    • Corey

      LMAO thanks for the laugh

  • If he was Jack Bauer, Obama could get from JFK to Downtown in less than one commercial break minimizing his impact on the planet (and traffic).

    • Corey

      LMAO thanks for the laugh

  • It's probably a bad idea for both to visit the city at the same time but it is standard practice for the President and the Vice President to travel separately so that the same lethal event will not kill both of them at once.

    So, while we can criticize them for choosing to make the trip at all, we really can't criticize them for taking separate aircraft. Although, we can criticize them for not taking separate trains.

    • Sam Peckinpaw

      This also true for any large organization. It is SOP to transport senior decision makers and those with authority to obligate organizations in different vehicles when all are needed in the same local. For exaclty the reason you cite.

    • Guest

      That's right…..consider the results if that happened…..Pelosi as President….NO THANK YOU!!!

    • ..isn't Slow Joe a big rail fan, taking the train every day form his home to the senate for 36 years.

      As for the Pantload-in-Chief, he's just a big fan of himself.

  • It's probably a bad idea for both to visit the city at the same time but it is standard practice for the President and the Vice President to travel separately so that the same lethal event will not kill both of them at once.

    So, while we can criticize them for choosing to make the trip at all, we really can't criticize them for taking separate aircraft. Although, we can criticize them for not taking separate trains.

    • Sam Peckinpaw

      This also true for any large organization. It is SOP to transport senior decision makers and those with authority to obligate organizations in different vehicles when all are needed in the same local. For exaclty the reason you cite.

    • Guest

      That's right…..consider the results if that happened…..Pelosi as President….NO THANK YOU!!!

    • ..isn't Slow Joe a big rail fan, taking the train every day form his home to the senate for 36 years.

      As for the Pantload-in-Chief, he's just a big fan of himself.

  • Madman

    For those of you who have been defending this foolishness, several answers have been suggested:
    1. Take the train.
    2. Arrange the schedules to avoid this double-hit.
    3. Use video feeds instead of a live appearance.

    I would even suggest having the Prez & VP board the same jet. I'd almost rather have Nancy Pelosi rather than Joe Biden as President. At least she has her wits about her.

    • That was a quick cut to the chase- Prez & Veep on same plane segwaying to Nancy as Pres. Are Ruskies involved in your plan? We'll stay tuned to this channel……..

      • no one

        Ever read the US Consitution? Didn't think so.

        • well yes no one more than you have obviously

    • Wow you have NOT been paying attention.

    • righthearted

      You truly must be a madman if you really believe Madame P has her wits about her. The only wits she has are dim.

      • I believe madman characterized Nancy's wits quite accurately as 'hers'. One has to hope that they broke the mould after the formation of her 'wits'.

    • righthearted

      You truly must be a madman if you really believe Madame P has her wits about her. The only wits she has are dim.

    • GozieBoy

      She has the wits of a nit…

  • Madman

    For those of you who have been defending this foolishness, several answers have been suggested:
    1. Take the train.
    2. Arrange the schedules to avoid this double-hit.
    3. Use video feeds instead of a live appearance.

    I would even suggest having the Prez & VP board the same jet. I'd almost rather have Nancy Pelosi rather than Joe Biden as President. At least she has her wits about her.

    • That was a quick cut to the chase- Prez & Veep on same plane segwaying to Nancy as Pres. Are Ruskies involved in your plan? We'll stay tuned to this channel……..

      • no one

        Ever read the US Consitution? Didn't think so.

        • well yes no one more than you have obviously

    • Wow you have NOT been paying attention.

    • righthearted

      You truly must be a madman if you really believe Madame P has her wits about her. The only wits she has are dim.

      • I believe madman characterized Nancy's wits quite accurately as 'hers'. One has to hope that they broke the mould after the formation of her 'wits'.

    • GozieBoy

      She has the wits of a nit…

  • uisignorant

    It's good to be the king and his jester.

    • Guest

      Which is which?
      🙂

    • Billy Bob Bertram

      That's what I thought of George W. and his side-kick Dick. Too many of you have such a short memory of who had an 8 year administration and got us into this mess. Your ignorance is your bliss.

  • uisignorant

    It's good to be the king and his jester.

    • Guest

      Which is which?
      🙂

    • Billy Bob Bertram

      That's what I thought of George W. and his side-kick Dick. Too many of you have such a short memory of who had an 8 year administration and got us into this mess. Your ignorance is your bliss.

  • Peter Steele – RIP

    Just saw Biden getting out of a limo and going into the Rainbow Room.

    • John

      hmmmm……didn't know he was gay…….interesting…….

    • Ma Rainey

      That's pretty amazing, since a limo would be on the street and the Rainbow Room is on the 64th floor.

  • Jan

    what a couple of a$$ holes we have in charge. Hoax and chains !

  • Peter Steele – RIP

    Just saw Biden getting out of a limo and going into the Rainbow Room.

    • John

      hmmmm……didn't know he was gay…….interesting…….

    • Ma Rainey

      That's pretty amazing, since a limo would be on the street and the Rainbow Room is on the 64th floor.

  • Jan

    what a couple of a$$ holes we have in charge. Hoax and chains !

  • JohnMc

    Barack "Do as I say ,not as I do" Obama. Hopefully NYC voters will factor this into their next voting decision.

    • Lee

      They won't they are idiots

    • Garland1

      Re-Elect No One

  • JohnMc

    Barack "Do as I say ,not as I do" Obama. Hopefully NYC voters will factor this into their next voting decision.

    • Lee

      They won't they are idiots

    • Garland1

      Re-Elect No One

  • Frank

    Why not take Amtrak – they keep telling us how wonderful high speed rail is…….yeah right.

    • steve

      put them in the same Yugo ! and then let Algore Drive their sorry asses whereever

  • Frank

    Why not take Amtrak – they keep telling us how wonderful high speed rail is…….yeah right.

    • steve

      put them in the same Yugo ! and then let Algore Drive their sorry asses whereever

  • TomGenin

    Despite the fact that Obama is a Socialist, is detroying the economy, is spending us into oblivion, etc. The President and VP shouldn't be on the same plane.

    Especially since Pelosi is next in line.

    If my options are to risk Pelosi being president, or the earth has to eat 10,000 extra tons of CO2.

    Sorry Earth, but you have to take one for the team.

  • TomGenin

    Despite the fact that Obama is a Socialist, is detroying the economy, is spending us into oblivion, etc. The President and VP shouldn't be on the same plane.

    Especially since Pelosi is next in line.

    If my options are to risk Pelosi being president, or the earth has to eat 10,000 extra tons of CO2.

    Sorry Earth, but you have to take one for the team.

  • Pat D

    They should fly on the same plane and to avoid the tragedy in Poland, they should fly a plane that is service-worthy and capable of landing using instrumentation. Oh wait… they already have that. Fly on the same damn plane, already!

    • Or better yet, fly on the same RUSSIAN plane….

      • JeffinSD

        So you are advocating for the death's of the POTUS an VPOTUS. How very patriotic of you.

        • Rebas_Thgil

          Thomas Jefferson's admonition "the blood of patriots and tyrants…." is even more patriotic, but in the long haul, I'd rather see Ojoker have to witness the repair of all of his ruination of this country by being impeached or at least quickly replaced by a Constitutional constructionist who would reinstill freedom, minimal government, free market capitalism, and repeal all of the past year's socialist legislative bilge.
          We could pull out of this economic malaise with new hope so quickly that it would make Obamunist's head spin and he would have to move to France or back home to Kenya out of sheer embarassment.

  • Pat D

    They should fly on the same plane and to avoid the tragedy in Poland, they should fly a plane that is service-worthy and capable of landing using instrumentation. Oh wait… they already have that. Fly on the same damn plane, already!

    • Or better yet, fly on the same RUSSIAN plane….

      • JeffinSD

        So you are advocating for the death's of the POTUS an VPOTUS. How very patriotic of you.

        • Rebas_Thgil

          Thomas Jefferson's admonition "the blood of patriots and tyrants…." is even more patriotic, but in the long haul, I'd rather see Ojoker have to witness the repair of all of his ruination of this country by being impeached or at least quickly replaced by a Constitutional constructionist who would reinstill freedom, minimal government, free market capitalism, and repeal all of the past year's socialist legislative bilge.
          We could pull out of this economic malaise with new hope so quickly that it would make Obamunist's head spin and he would have to move to France or back home to Kenya out of sheer embarassment.

  • GP1

    It would have been better to have shown how energy would have been saved, and pollution avoided:

    Attend via telcon or webex.
    Have only one go, and do both presentations and meeting.
    Couple that trip with some other important trips.
    Have a local senator or congressman step in.

    Any of the actions above would have shown people that they cared about the environment.
    It's pretty obvious that they do not. No hope, no change.

  • GP1

    It would have been better to have shown how energy would have been saved, and pollution avoided:

    Attend via telcon or webex.
    Have only one go, and do both presentations and meeting.
    Couple that trip with some other important trips.
    Have a local senator or congressman step in.

    Any of the actions above would have shown people that they cared about the environment.
    It's pretty obvious that they do not. No hope, no change.

  • The Heartland

    hahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha

    How’s our standing in the world now?
    Obama is turning out, as I said after his election, to be the worst President ever. In addition, he is one of the dumbest.

    • Then there is the billboard out in the heartland depicting Jimma Cahta thinking to himself "At least now I'm not the worst president ever….."

      For once, Jimma is very likely correct.

    • I think you can only consider him dumb if he doesn't know what it is he's doing…I think he knows exactly what he's doing and never planned on being a 2-term president. When you study the people around him who have the most influence, they all share the same vision and for that to happen many of the safeguards in place from preventing their vision from becoming reality have to first be dismantled…and that, my friend, is what they're doing now.

      One of the greatest ironies is the "Hope and Change" Mr. Obama preached during the campaign was really his friends and backers "Hoping" Mr. Obama, if elected, would "Change" out the existing exploiters of the people and be given the chance for them to exploit for a few years…

  • The Heartland

    hahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha

    How’s our standing in the world now?
    Obama is turning out, as I said after his election, to be the worst President ever. In addition, he is one of the dumbest.

    • Then there is the billboard out in the heartland depicting Jimma Cahta thinking to himself "At least now I'm not the worst president ever….."

      For once, Jimma is very likely correct.

    • I think you can only consider him dumb if he doesn't know what it is he's doing…I think he knows exactly what he's doing and never planned on being a 2-term president. When you study the people around him who have the most influence, they all share the same vision and for that to happen many of the safeguards in place from preventing their vision from becoming reality have to first be dismantled…and that, my friend, is what they're doing now.

      One of the greatest ironies is the "Hope and Change" Mr. Obama preached during the campaign was really his friends and backers "Hoping" Mr. Obama, if elected, would "Change" out the existing exploiters of the people and be given the chance for them to exploit for a few years…

  • Bryan

    Remember that one time that the Polish president and all the top political people in the country were on the same plane and died? This article is ridiculous. I can not believe it was on drudge.

    • TommyTsunami

      did you or Edwin even read it? the author clearly states they should not fly together for that exact reason. he also states Biden's trip is ridiculous as he could easily use a satellite feed (or as others suggested, a streaming Internet feed).

    • mnewman

      Lighten up.

  • Bryan

    Remember that one time that the Polish president and all the top political people in the country were on the same plane and died? This article is ridiculous. I can not believe it was on drudge.

    • TommyTsunami

      did you or Edwin even read it? the author clearly states they should not fly together for that exact reason. he also states Biden's trip is ridiculous as he could easily use a satellite feed (or as others suggested, a streaming Internet feed).

    • mnewman

      Lighten up.

  • uisignorant

    And….so……

  • uisignorant

    And….so……

  • RealAmerican

    I really think my first question would be why would anyone want to invite Joe "Putty Brains" Biden on their show anyways?

    2nd I do agree that Obama lost the real impact of his speach due to positioning. But i guess they targeted the specific croud that still may actualy believe his BS!!

    Guess better in NYC than in AZ right Obama!! AZ might just ask for a real birth record when you land!!

    • Lil Mikey

      "I really think my first question would be why would anyone want to invite Joe "Putty Brains" Biden on their show anyways? "

      Because he'll be the smartest one there?

      • Very likely, he would be….the….smartest…..cough hack….one…..there.

    • Defender

      He's afraid he'll need a foreign traveler visa to get into AZ.

  • RealAmerican

    I really think my first question would be why would anyone want to invite Joe "Putty Brains" Biden on their show anyways?

    2nd I do agree that Obama lost the real impact of his speach due to positioning. But i guess they targeted the specific croud that still may actualy believe his BS!!

    Guess better in NYC than in AZ right Obama!! AZ might just ask for a real birth record when you land!!

    • Lil Mikey

      "I really think my first question would be why would anyone want to invite Joe "Putty Brains" Biden on their show anyways? "

      Because he'll be the smartest one there?

      • Very likely, he would be….the….smartest…..cough hack….one…..there.

    • Defender

      He's afraid he'll need a foreign traveler visa to get into AZ.

  • VIP Exchange

    1. Taking the train – Not going to happen. You can't secure 300 miles of train tracks. IED's, even simple ingredient ones like OK City bombing, would be to easy to do to a train. No security advisor worth anything would let that happen. You cant secure 300 miles of scenic train tracks, so you simply eliminate it from your possible means of travel. 2. Same Plane – Not going to happen. You never fly all your leadership on the same plane. That's been the case for a long long time. Look at Poland. They made that mistake recently, and I guarentee you will never make it again. We always fly the Pres and Vice Pres on seperate airframes.

    • ajsdaddie

      You don't waste 1000 gallons of jet fuel to talk about conservation. One or preferably both of them could have done this remotely. I swear this administration does things contrary to common sense just to prove that they can. It's like an involuntary twitch of the "I WON" muscle.

      • Rebas_Thgil

        It's more insidious than that. It's like the involuntary twitch of the "modern day socialist aristocrat" muscle.
        All of the top Socialists and Communists throughout history have espoused 'social justice' for all of the common folk, just so long as these leaders remain above and more privileged than the commoners. It is the heart of the Socialist Lie. It twitches naturally for Obamunist all of the time.

    • Jose

      But how about this:

      How about using 2 smaller airplanes for these short commutes for once that do not use as much fuel as a 747 or 757…the rest of the non emergency staff can obviously go by train. Then how about flying to Stewart Airport instead of LGA/JFK/EWR (which get more air traffic) and then taking a heli from there to the city. I mean there are better alternatives than the one currently used…even webex to show how technology can help the environment….specially on earth day!

      • VIP Exchange

        using 2 smaller airframes is a great idea. the only problem however is they dont have the security and systems in place as they do in air force one. the reason he flies air force one is primarily 2. they have many defensive systems on place for SA missiles, gun fire, etc… You can get that equipment installed on smaller aircraft, and many rotary wing airframes have them in the Army, and smaller C-12's, UC-35's, and C-23's fixed wing. The second reason they fly in these large air frames is power weight management. in the event their special defensive systems, warnings, flare's, etc… fail and engine(s) lose power, they have 4 total engines, and with the correct power weight management calculations, can still achieve lift, and can still safely descend with multiple engine failures.

        • Really?

          Quit trying to inject common sense and logical reasoning into this thread. Its obvious from this article and most of the comments that kind of thinking has no place on this website.

          • Amber

            I say you just put both of them on the plain with all the extra fuel as cargo.

    • VIP Exchange

      Then third, is the biggest. the ability to run the country, to include war's on two fronts via secure VTC's, in the event of a catastrophe on the ground. these smaller airframes he could take to conserve fuel aren't capable to incorporate these mainframes and communication systems on board to effectively run the country if something happened while he was in the air. they also dont have the in air refuel capabilities in the case the president needs to remain airborn for extended periods of time. now it is extremely unlikely any issues would arrise on the way to JFK. however, in the event it does, he is onboard with the equipment to handle it.

    • mayorpufnstuf

      "1. Taking the train – Not going to happen. You can't secure 300 miles of train tracks"

      Securing 300 miles of train tracks is no more difficult than securing thousands of cubic miles of airspace.

      In case you've forgotten, Obama and Biden traveled by train to the inauguration. The same train. Which made several stops along the way. Not going to happen…? It has happened.

      Securing 300 miles of train tracks is no more difficult than securing thousands of cubic miles of airspace.

      • You're making more sense here, your honor, than some can comprehend. Are you trying to foment a liberal aneurysm for some of the readers?

    • bob

      What leadership?

  • VIP Exchange

    1. Taking the train – Not going to happen. You can't secure 300 miles of train tracks. IED's, even simple ingredient ones like OK City bombing, would be to easy to do to a train. No security advisor worth anything would let that happen. You cant secure 300 miles of scenic train tracks, so you simply eliminate it from your possible means of travel. 2. Same Plane – Not going to happen. You never fly all your leadership on the same plane. That's been the case for a long long time. Look at Poland. They made that mistake recently, and I guarentee you will never make it again. We always fly the Pres and Vice Pres on seperate airframes.

    • ajsdaddie

      You don't waste 1000 gallons of jet fuel to talk about conservation. One or preferably both of them could have done this remotely. I swear this administration does things contrary to common sense just to prove that they can. It's like an involuntary twitch of the "I WON" muscle.

      • Rebas_Thgil

        It's more insidious than that. It's like the involuntary twitch of the "modern day socialist aristocrat" muscle.
        All of the top Socialists and Communists throughout history have espoused 'social justice' for all of the common folk, just so long as these leaders remain above and more privileged than the commoners. It is the heart of the Socialist Lie. It twitches naturally for Obamunist all of the time.

    • Jose

      But how about this:

      How about using 2 smaller airplanes for these short commutes for once that do not use as much fuel as a 747 or 757…the rest of the non emergency staff can obviously go by train. Then how about flying to Stewart Airport instead of LGA/JFK/EWR (which get more air traffic) and then taking a heli from there to the city. I mean there are better alternatives than the one currently used…even webex to show how technology can help the environment….specially on earth day!

      • VIP Exchange

        using 2 smaller airframes is a great idea. the only problem however is they dont have the security and systems in place as they do in air force one. the reason he flies air force one is primarily 2. they have many defensive systems on place for SA missiles, gun fire, etc… You can get that equipment installed on smaller aircraft, and many rotary wing airframes have them in the Army, and smaller C-12's, UC-35's, and C-23's fixed wing. The second reason they fly in these large air frames is power weight management. in the event their special defensive systems, warnings, flare's, etc… fail and engine(s) lose power, they have 4 total engines, and with the correct power weight management calculations, can still achieve lift, and can still safely descend with multiple engine failures.

        • Really?

          Quit trying to inject common sense and logical reasoning into this thread. Its obvious from this article and most of the comments that kind of thinking has no place on this website.

          • Amber

            I say you just put both of them on the plain with all the extra fuel as cargo.

    • VIP Exchange

      Then third, is the biggest. the ability to run the country, to include war's on two fronts via secure VTC's, in the event of a catastrophe on the ground. these smaller airframes he could take to conserve fuel aren't capable to incorporate these mainframes and communication systems on board to effectively run the country if something happened while he was in the air. they also dont have the in air refuel capabilities in the case the president needs to remain airborn for extended periods of time. now it is extremely unlikely any issues would arrise on the way to JFK. however, in the event it does, he is onboard with the equipment to handle it.

    • mayorpufnstuf

      "1. Taking the train – Not going to happen. You can't secure 300 miles of train tracks"

      Securing 300 miles of train tracks is no more difficult than securing thousands of cubic miles of airspace.

      In case you've forgotten, Obama and Biden traveled by train to the inauguration. The same train. Which made several stops along the way. Not going to happen…? It has happened.

      Securing 300 miles of train tracks is no more difficult than securing thousands of cubic miles of airspace.

      • You're making more sense here, your honor, than some can comprehend. Are you trying to foment a liberal aneurysm for some of the readers?

    • bob

      What leadership?

  • Don

    yeah right, The One saving our planet.

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • VIP Exchange

    3. Change it to a later date – Retarded. Whether his jet flies today, or a month from now it will still burn up the same fuel, follow the same flight path, and disrupt the same jets at the airport. The delay time is actually quite minimal for VIP/HVT vehicle exchange. The only real time there will be a delay is the actual "exchange" between unloading the Pres and leadership from the aircraft and walking to secured ground transport. As soon as that happens, jets are already in there staggered 1000 foot final decents. Who cares whether these jets burn the fuel on "earth day" or any other thursday. The same emissions will be casted into the atmosphere. Since many of you are the same degenerates who lit up joints with 15,000 people in the same quad 2 days ago, put your joint down long enough to be functional, and think about this from a sober standpoint.

  • freddie

    So the big deal with trains is for the lower classes?
    If he gets the train mandates, he can have us forfeit our cars and then we will be restricted in where we go.

    • If they can pry the steering wheel out of my cold dead hands…..

      Even the Bamster's love buddy Huggo hasn't required Venezuelans to forfeit their cars.

  • Don

    yeah right, The One saving our planet.

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • freddie

    So the big deal with trains is for the lower classes?
    If he gets the train mandates, he can have us forfeit our cars and then we will be restricted in where we go.

    • If they can pry the steering wheel out of my cold dead hands…..

      Even the Bamster's love buddy Huggo hasn't required Venezuelans to forfeit their cars.

  • VIP Exchange

    3. Change it to a later date – Retarded. Whether his jet flies today, or a month from now it will still burn up the same fuel, follow the same flight path, and disrupt the same jets at the airport. The delay time is actually quite minimal for VIP/HVT vehicle exchange. The only real time there will be a delay is the actual "exchange" between unloading the Pres and leadership from the aircraft and walking to secured ground transport. As soon as that happens, jets are already in there staggered 1000 foot final decents. Who cares whether these jets burn the fuel on "earth day" or any other thursday. The same emissions will be casted into the atmosphere. Since many of you are the same degenerates who lit up joints with 15,000 people in the same quad 2 days ago, put your joint down long enough to be functional, and think about this from a sober standpoint.

  • It’s the typical do as I say, not as I do. Shouldn’t be surprised when he burned over 9,000 gallons of jet fuel LAST Earth Day. Excuse me, while I go hop in my SUV and breath really, really hard- right after I turn all my lights. Go check us out at http://www.LibertyJuice.com !

  • It’s the typical do as I say, not as I do. Shouldn’t be surprised when he burned over 9,000 gallons of jet fuel LAST Earth Day. Excuse me, while I go hop in my SUV and breath really, really hard- right after I turn all my lights. Go check us out at http://www.LibertyJuice.com !

  • Aaron

    Maybe it would be cheaper to bring New York to the White House.

  • Mike

    It's enough to make you miss Dick Cheney who would stay in an undisclosed location.

  • Aaron

    Maybe it would be cheaper to bring New York to the White House.

  • Mike

    It's enough to make you miss Dick Cheney who would stay in an undisclosed location.

  • I Heart The Earth

    Reduce your carbon footprints for the earth by riding your bike to work, keep your home cold in the winter and hot in the summer and don't eat meat.

    Now excuse me while I celebrate the earth by burning a few thousand gallons of jet fuel and maybe have a nice sirloin steak for lunch on board in my climate controlled cabin.

    • EXACTLY. Omarxist has a different set of standards for all of the little people, while he himself basks in grand delusions of aristocracy. Impeach the jerk and put a presidential individual in the white house.

      • Matman

        One thing…you never saw ole Bush do this, or the evironmental wackos would have been out in force protesting…..and another thing, it's all Bush's fault….

  • I Heart The Earth

    Reduce your carbon footprints for the earth by riding your bike to work, keep your home cold in the winter and hot in the summer and don't eat meat.

    Now excuse me while I celebrate the earth by burning a few thousand gallons of jet fuel and maybe have a nice sirloin steak for lunch on board in my climate controlled cabin.

    • EXACTLY. Omarxist has a different set of standards for all of the little people, while he himself basks in grand delusions of aristocracy. Impeach the jerk and put a presidential individual in the white house.

      • Matman

        One thing…you never saw ole Bush do this, or the evironmental wackos would have been out in force protesting…..and another thing, it's all Bush's fault….

  • What a bunch of smokers…
    Fing d-bags…

  • What a bunch of smokers…
    Fing d-bags…

  • Dr Smith

    This would have been a PERFECT opportunity to USE THE TRAIN! As an acknowlegement of the importance of the meaning of the day they could have taken the train. Jumpin' Joe rode the train for years from DC to Delaware. They could have a remote jumbotron meeting to show the minimal environmental impact of web meetings.
    Instead they are showing their gigantic carbon footprint by flying planes. Don't expect to see this waste mentioned on the mainstream media outlets. They'll report the visit and their speeches in defense of the environment but you won't hear of the thousands of gallons of fossil fuels burned to get er' done!

  • Dr Smith

    This would have been a PERFECT opportunity to USE THE TRAIN! As an acknowlegement of the importance of the meaning of the day they could have taken the train. Jumpin' Joe rode the train for years from DC to Delaware. They could have a remote jumbotron meeting to show the minimal environmental impact of web meetings.
    Instead they are showing their gigantic carbon footprint by flying planes. Don't expect to see this waste mentioned on the mainstream media outlets. They'll report the visit and their speeches in defense of the environment but you won't hear of the thousands of gallons of fossil fuels burned to get er' done!

  • Maybe Obama can buzz the Empire State building for some neat photos. Then take big booty ho out to a play.

    • Obamanation

      ahahahahaha, now thats funny.

  • Maybe Obama can buzz the Empire State building for some neat photos. Then take big booty ho out to a play.

    • Obamanation

      ahahahahaha, now thats funny.

  • jmrec100

    Fly the two squealling pigs to Iceland.
    If they really gave a rats behind, they could use the internet and telecommunicate. Gee, And maybe even save US TAXPAYERS some money for once.

    • You are making too much sense here. Remember, this is a NYC related webpage. Zero fairies running rampant and site admin(s) wiping out whoa- get this- free……speech……?

    • Matman

      jmrec100, you have it wrong….it's not in their nature to save money…it's in their nature to tax and spend…get it?…taxes that is….

  • jmrec100

    Fly the two squealling pigs to Iceland.
    If they really gave a rats behind, they could use the internet and telecommunicate. Gee, And maybe even save US TAXPAYERS some money for once.

    • You are making too much sense here. Remember, this is a NYC related webpage. Zero fairies running rampant and site admin(s) wiping out whoa- get this- free……speech……?

    • Matman

      jmrec100, you have it wrong….it's not in their nature to save money…it's in their nature to tax and spend…get it?…taxes that is….

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    Your survival guide to the Obama regime.

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    Your survival guide to the Obama regime.

  • FloorGuy

    He can't speak at Federal Hall because the entire employment of the NYSE would be outside in THEIR security protected coral flipping him the bird and that's a lousy photo op isn't it?

    I have never heard a sound as deafening as the wake of silence that followed Hillary Clinton around the NYSE floor.

    They would have shot spitballs at the President.

  • MNR1856

    Maybe they flew separately so if one plane goes down we don't lose the nation's top leaders in one crash (remember Poland?) Lame attack, guys

    • Matman

      MNR 1856…..I think for once the Poles got it right…..what better way to have another election if the last one didn't turn out like it should have…..

  • FloorGuy

    He can't speak at Federal Hall because the entire employment of the NYSE would be outside in THEIR security protected coral flipping him the bird and that's a lousy photo op isn't it?

    I have never heard a sound as deafening as the wake of silence that followed Hillary Clinton around the NYSE floor.

    They would have shot spitballs at the President.

  • MNR1856

    Maybe they flew separately so if one plane goes down we don't lose the nation's top leaders in one crash (remember Poland?) Lame attack, guys

    • Matman

      MNR 1856…..I think for once the Poles got it right…..what better way to have another election if the last one didn't turn out like it should have…..

  • Jerry

    So what else is new ??

    ITS THE NEVER ENDING CAMPAIGN !!!!

  • Jerry

    So what else is new ??

    ITS THE NEVER ENDING CAMPAIGN !!!!

  • Lee

    Neither one of them are leaders, so I don't get your point.

    • When the dust clouds of history settle, we will all realize that neither are they "TOP" – as in 'top leaders'. These two clowns redefine 'scraping the bottom of the barrel'.

    • When the dust clouds of history settle, we will all realize that neither are they "TOP" – as in 'top leaders'. These two clowns redefine 'scraping the bottom of the barrel'.

  • Lee

    Neither one of them are leaders, so I don't get your point.

    • When the dust clouds of history settle, we will all realize that neither are they "TOP" – as in 'top leaders'. These two clowns redefine 'scraping the bottom of the barrel'.

  • And yet, in 'celebrating' earth day- they make such an incredible hypocritical mockery of it. So can you really call it 'celebrating'?

  • And yet, in 'celebrating' earth day- they make such an incredible hypocritical mockery of it. So can you really call it 'celebrating'?

  • kilroyjc

    What about the Presidential Yacht? That would have been far easier to secure than the rails, and if they left last night they would have been here in the morning!

    Time was, there was a Presidential rail Car, too – oh for simpler times. . .

    • Personally, I'd like to see him ride in on the Presidential Yak. It is, after all, a celebration of EARTH DAY.

  • kilroyjc

    What about the Presidential Yacht? That would have been far easier to secure than the rails, and if they left last night they would have been here in the morning!

    Time was, there was a Presidential rail Car, too – oh for simpler times. . .

    • Personally, I'd like to see him ride in on the Presidential Yak. It is, after all, a celebration of EARTH DAY.

  • Neil Osborne

    For all you idiots out there… The president and vice-president are not allowed to fly on the same plane. How would you expect the president to travel? I assume just like every onther president since Truman, by plane. Hey idiots the president also travels with at least 2 transport planes that carry his security detail and vehicles. Why because he is the PRESIDENT get it???

    • Matman

      Neil….the Polish people are on to something here, maybe we should try it here in America too….

  • Neil Osborne

    For all you idiots out there… The president and vice-president are not allowed to fly on the same plane. How would you expect the president to travel? I assume just like every onther president since Truman, by plane. Hey idiots the president also travels with at least 2 transport planes that carry his security detail and vehicles. Why because he is the PRESIDENT get it???

    • Matman

      Neil….the Polish people are on to something here, maybe we should try it here in America too….

  • I see it has already been addressed but I also see "bonehead" comments that lead me to believe that it must be said again. You never put the POTUS and VPOTUS on the same flight. The Polish crash had not only the Pres but the army chief of staff, national bank president, deputy foreign minister, army chaplain, head of the National Security Office, deputy parliament speaker, civil rights commissioner and at least two presidential aides and three lawmakers all on the same plane that went down.

    • Matman

      darbydoodle…..we already read your post earlier….keep in mind..the Poles are on to something here….

      • I was at work when I posted. Sorry. It was a P.C. (pretty crappy). On a real computer now!

  • There's a reason a the president and VP don't ride the same plane and arrive in the same location, idiots. Ever heard of disaster recovery fail over? If 1 goes the other will still be there. Idiots.

  • There's a reason a the president and VP don't ride the same plane and arrive in the same location, idiots. Ever heard of disaster recovery fail over? If 1 goes the other will still be there. Idiots.

  • I see it has already been addressed but I also see "bonehead" comments that lead me to believe that it must be said again. You never put the POTUS and VPOTUS on the same flight. The Polish crash had not only the Pres but the army chief of staff, national bank president, deputy foreign minister, army chaplain, head of the National Security Office, deputy parliament speaker, civil rights commissioner and at least two presidential aides and three lawmakers all on the same plane that went down.

    • Matman

      darbydoodle…..we already read your post earlier….keep in mind..the Poles are on to something here….

      • I was at work when I posted. Sorry. It was a P.C. (pretty crappy). On a real computer now!

  • ONTIME

    Isn't this article now looked upon as SEDITION? It is pointing out just how wasteful the "Do as I say" crowd operates, the know nothings that seem to know it all and make themselves extremely comfortable on the tax payers dime……Get ready for one of those finger pointing sharp tongued lectures from the supreme leader MR. UN-Credentialed…..and you must deserve it.

  • ONTIME

    Isn't this article now looked upon as SEDITION? It is pointing out just how wasteful the "Do as I say" crowd operates, the know nothings that seem to know it all and make themselves extremely comfortable on the tax payers dime……Get ready for one of those finger pointing sharp tongued lectures from the supreme leader MR. UN-Credentialed…..and you must deserve it.

  • Continuing the trend of shutting down air traffic to save the world. Ha! Check out this hilarious parody on global warming:http://www.funnyconservatives.com/2010/01/global-

  • donald

    President yes King no. Why do you think it is okay for the POTUS and Dork Biden to fly (what could be traveled in 4 hours by car) while telling all us ordinary folks "turn down your thermostats.)

  • Nel Osborne

    Hey idiots, where were you when W was flying around New Orleans burning up fuel? Or when HW's chief of staff was using presidential helocopters for personal business? This president travels just like every onther president even if he is black Sorry I know but look at it this way If you idiots wouldn't have voted and elected one of your own W then we would have probably never elected a black man. That is how terrible W was Imagine that and now we have the female version out there Sarah.

    • TommyTsunami

      Agreed dobbs. Also, when one of O's biggest campaign and presidency platforms is environmental legislation, he ought to lead by example. That's what GOOD leaders do at a minimum.

    • "…and now we have the female version out there Sarah"…we can only hope ;->

    • Matman

      Nel…both W and Sarah are way better than the Obummer could ever be…..your racism is showing…..

  • Nel Osborne

    Hey idiots, where were you when W was flying around New Orleans burning up fuel? Or when HW's chief of staff was using presidential helocopters for personal business? This president travels just like every onther president even if he is black Sorry I know but look at it this way If you idiots wouldn't have voted and elected one of your own W then we would have probably never elected a black man. That is how terrible W was Imagine that and now we have the female version out there Sarah.

    • TommyTsunami

      Agreed dobbs. Also, when one of O's biggest campaign and presidency platforms is environmental legislation, he ought to lead by example. That's what GOOD leaders do at a minimum.

    • "…and now we have the female version out there Sarah"…we can only hope ;->

    • Matman

      Nel…both W and Sarah are way better than the Obummer could ever be…..your racism is showing…..

  • donald

    President yes King no. Why do you think it is okay for the POTUS and Dork Biden to fly (what could be traveled in 4 hours by car) while telling all us ordinary folks "turn down your thermostats.)

  • Continuing the trend of shutting down air traffic to save the world. Ha! Check out this hilarious parody on global warming:http://www.funnyconservatives.com/2010/01/global-

  • However many joints Odopesmoker has had so far, that's how many more that he has smoked than I have.

  • However many joints Odopesmoker has had so far, that's how many more that he has smoked than I have.

  • John

    I wonder if they will both "treat" Manhattan to another low altitude fly-by on their way out of town and send everyone into a panic again.

  • John

    I wonder if they will both "treat" Manhattan to another low altitude fly-by on their way out of town and send everyone into a panic again.

  • Excellent point…I guess the one thing we can count on is hypocrisy in everything politicians do, regardless of party affiliation. It will be interesting to see the results of November elections and observe how both sides start to reposition themselves. I really like the idea for members of Congress to have the same health care coverage their bosses, the people who pay their salaries, have. I wonder what other privileges they take that we are not allowed to have?

    • Yes, we can count on them for continued hypocrisy, until such time as they learn to count on a voter base who will press for impeachment, recalls to congressional districts, and grass-roots referendums of 'no confidence'. Until the hypocrits in office feel that they are subject to voter approval with rapid repercussions, this garbage will continue.

  • Excellent point…I guess the one thing we can count on is hypocrisy in everything politicians do, regardless of party affiliation. It will be interesting to see the results of November elections and observe how both sides start to reposition themselves. I really like the idea for members of Congress to have the same health care coverage their bosses, the people who pay their salaries, have. I wonder what other privileges they take that we are not allowed to have?

    • Yes, we can count on them for continued hypocrisy, until such time as they learn to count on a voter base who will press for impeachment, recalls to congressional districts, and grass-roots referendums of 'no confidence'. Until the hypocrits in office feel that they are subject to voter approval with rapid repercussions, this garbage will continue.

  • Brenda Oakes

    Unbelievable. So he can do a speech we have all heard before? Didnt he fly Air Force one from DC to Philly a few weeks ago for yet another speech about heathcare? Some one give him an Easy Pass and point him to I-95 So much for change and hope. This guy is a moron.

  • Brenda Oakes

    Unbelievable. So he can do a speech we have all heard before? Didnt he fly Air Force one from DC to Philly a few weeks ago for yet another speech about heathcare? Some one give him an Easy Pass and point him to I-95 So much for change and hope. This guy is a moron.

  • John

    You may be an idiot.

  • John

    You may be an idiot.

  • John

    You may be an idiot.

  • John

    You may be an idiot.

  • mauibucky

    From one bleeding heart liberal to another; why don't you take the train, Joe?

  • Jose

    How about using smaller airplanes for these short commutes for once that do not use as much fuel as a 747 or 757…the rest of the non emergency staff can obviously go by train. Then how about flying to Stewart Airport instead of LGA/JFK/EWR (which get more air traffic) and then taking a heli from there to the city. I mean there are better alternatives than the one currently used…specially on earth day!

  • mauibucky

    From one bleeding heart liberal to another; why don't you take the train, Joe?

  • Jose

    How about using smaller airplanes for these short commutes for once that do not use as much fuel as a 747 or 757…the rest of the non emergency staff can obviously go by train. Then how about flying to Stewart Airport instead of LGA/JFK/EWR (which get more air traffic) and then taking a heli from there to the city. I mean there are better alternatives than the one currently used…specially on earth day!

  • setusfree2012

    One would think that Biden could find more important things to do with his time than spending it on The View. Problem solved. They always talk the talk, but are not willing to walk the walk. I wonder what Al "making billions off of a fraud" Gore is doing today?

  • Ben

    In theory though, given Obama's spending, we as taxpayers are probably saving money whenever he leaves Washington.

  • Ben

    In theory though, given Obama's spending, we as taxpayers are probably saving money whenever he leaves Washington.

  • setusfree2012

    One would think that Biden could find more important things to do with his time than spending it on The View. Problem solved. They always talk the talk, but are not willing to walk the walk. I wonder what Al "making billions off of a fraud" Gore is doing today?

  • Rebas_Thgil

    Let's just impeach the Hypocrite-In-Chief and be done with all of this buffoonery.

    Remember- this November and next, vote every democrat, marxist, socialist, communist and RINO out of office. Replace them with real Constitutional Constructionist Americans who will restore the Representative Republic that our Founding Fathers established. America is the last stand for Freedom. The radical leftist traitors among us have dozens of countries already soiled with rampant Socialism that they can visit or move to.

  • Rebas_Thgil

    Let's just impeach the Hypocrite-In-Chief and be done with all of this buffoonery.

    Remember- this November and next, vote every democrat, marxist, socialist, communist and RINO out of office. Replace them with real Constitutional Constructionist Americans who will restore the Representative Republic that our Founding Fathers established. America is the last stand for Freedom. The radical leftist traitors among us have dozens of countries already soiled with rampant Socialism that they can visit or move to.

  • the train would have been worse. Carter once did that back during his presidency to a meeting in Philadelphia. that train and auto traffic, not to mention the local police and helicopters almost broke the bank. It caused much more hassle than if he'd flown. Why do you think that foreign leaders did not take trains to the Polish President's funeral? Security risk with trains is exponentialy higher to protect against.

  • go to your room

    This is a standard security procedure. The President and Vice President never take the same plane, in case the plane crashes. That's kind of the whole point of having a Vice President – so the executive branch of government can continue to function in case the president is incapacitated. Just a week ago Poland lost a major portion of its government in a plane crash. This article is non-news and drivel, akin to reporting the fact that the Secret Service exists, or that the president's limo has bullet-proof glass.

  • go to your room

    This is a standard security procedure. The President and Vice President never take the same plane, in case the plane crashes. That's kind of the whole point of having a Vice President – so the executive branch of government can continue to function in case the president is incapacitated. Just a week ago Poland lost a major portion of its government in a plane crash. This article is non-news and drivel, akin to reporting the fact that the Secret Service exists, or that the president's limo has bullet-proof glass.

  • the train would have been worse. Carter once did that back during his presidency to a meeting in Philadelphia. that train and auto traffic, not to mention the local police and helicopters almost broke the bank. It caused much more hassle than if he'd flown. Why do you think that foreign leaders did not take trains to the Polish President's funeral? Security risk with trains is exponentialy higher to protect against.

  • M.D.

    …following in the footsteps of Algore.

  • M.D.

    …following in the footsteps of Algore.

  • orlandocajun

    Why is anyone surprised? This is just another example of liberal hypocrisy similar to Al Gore flying his private jet thousands of miles to accept an award for his global warming hoax or maybe Pelosi and her entourage taking 10 jet liners to Copenhagen to argue for climate legislation/taxes in the middle of a blizzard.

    Obama cares about Obama…end of story. Anyone who doesn't get that it either clueless or a fool.

  • orlandocajun

    Why is anyone surprised? This is just another example of liberal hypocrisy similar to Al Gore flying his private jet thousands of miles to accept an award for his global warming hoax or maybe Pelosi and her entourage taking 10 jet liners to Copenhagen to argue for climate legislation/taxes in the middle of a blizzard.

    Obama cares about Obama…end of story. Anyone who doesn't get that it either clueless or a fool.

  • Pilot_MKN

    You’re forgetting all the privately owned aircraft that will also be disrupted by this jaunt.

  • Pilot_MKN

    You’re forgetting all the privately owned aircraft that will also be disrupted by this jaunt.

  • steve

    put them in the same plane………..

  • steve

    put them in the same plane………..

  • dobbs

    Bush is so yesterday, get off of it already.
    How can you be progressive if you are always living in the past?
    You morons amuse me.

  • dobbs

    Bush is so yesterday, get off of it already.
    How can you be progressive if you are always living in the past?
    You morons amuse me.

  • John

    Obama and Biden should of celebrated this phony Earth Day by shutting up and not polluting the air with their verbal dirreaha. Like they do the other 364 days of the year..

  • John

    Obama and Biden should of celebrated this phony Earth Day by shutting up and not polluting the air with their verbal dirreaha. Like they do the other 364 days of the year..

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  • Bob

    Who the hell are you? Why don't you stick to taking airplane pictures?

  • Bob

    Who the hell are you? Why don't you stick to taking airplane pictures?

  • Bob

    Who the hell are you? Why don't you stick to taking airplane pictures?

  • I'd like to do ahttp://www.LIVESHOT.cc from NYC today.

    I SERVED IN VIETNAM.

  • I'd like to do ahttp://www.LIVESHOT.cc from NYC today.

    I SERVED IN VIETNAM.

  • Greenie

    Maybe they could drive up in a hybrid? Like they exepected the auto execs to do? SAVE THE PLANET!

  • Greenie

    Maybe they could drive up in a hybrid? Like they exepected the auto execs to do? SAVE THE PLANET!

  • Greenie

    Maybe they could drive up in a hybrid? Like they exepected the auto execs to do? SAVE THE PLANET!

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  • Greenie

    For all of you IDIOTS calling those of us who question this friviolity idiots, the whole trip is unnecessary — for either of them. They could each link in to the events electronically without leaving Washington. THAT would be responsible! THAT might have the effect of really doing something positive for the PLANET — rather than just exploiting the event for POLITICAL purposes. All this nonsense about security, traveling separately, Poland, "disaster recovery fail over," etc. is just a head fake. SAVE THE PLANET!

  • Greenie

    For all of you IDIOTS calling those of us who question this friviolity idiots, the whole trip is unnecessary — for either of them. They could each link in to the events electronically without leaving Washington. THAT would be responsible! THAT might have the effect of really doing something positive for the PLANET — rather than just exploiting the event for POLITICAL purposes. All this nonsense about security, traveling separately, Poland, "disaster recovery fail over," etc. is just a head fake. SAVE THE PLANET!

  • Nick

    Whatever happened to good ol' "Amtrack Joe Biden". No need to travel with us commoners when you're in the King's Court. See ya in Delaware and hopefully, soon (FIRST 2010, THEN 2012!!!).

  • Nick

    Whatever happened to good ol' "Amtrack Joe Biden". No need to travel with us commoners when you're in the King's Court. See ya in Delaware and hopefully, soon (FIRST 2010, THEN 2012!!!).

  • Nick

    Whatever happened to good ol' "Amtrack Joe Biden". No need to travel with us commoners when you're in the King's Court. See ya in Delaware and hopefully, soon (FIRST 2010, THEN 2012!!!).

  • Obamarama Bahala

    Maybe Obama can take that not proud skank with him to catch a play while he is in NYC.

  • Wow, way to go green obama!
    http://www.politicalwind.net

  • watwot

    Gee I wonder why the secret service would want the president and vice president of the USA on seperate planes? Has anyone here heard of killing 2 birds with one stone? duh!! I'm quite sure this has been standard operating procedure since like forever….

  • watwot

    Gee I wonder why the secret service would want the president and vice president of the USA on seperate planes? Has anyone here heard of killing 2 birds with one stone? duh!! I'm quite sure this has been standard operating procedure since like forever….

  • Wow, way to go green obama!
    http://www.politicalwind.net

  • Obamarama Bahala

    Maybe Obama can take that not proud skank with him to catch a play while he is in NYC.

  • Impeach.

  • Impeach.

  • Algae

    For a second I forgot that Bush was the worst president evah! Then you said that this was a non-partisan post, not a condemnation of Obama, and it was OK again. Bush sucks a ton. Obama rocks, even when he's dumping raw sewage on the environment.

  • Algae

    For a second I forgot that Bush was the worst president evah! Then you said that this was a non-partisan post, not a condemnation of Obama, and it was OK again. Bush sucks a ton. Obama rocks, even when he's dumping raw sewage on the environment.

  • Bubee

    yes, thank god they weren’t on the same plane… if it had gone down and killed the two of them, that idiot pelosi would be president.

  • JDc

    Our elected representatives gave hell to the auto execs when they flew into Washington on private planes when their companies were unprofitable. There is no entity in the world with a larger negative cash flow than our federal government. Do as I say, not as I do.

  • Bubee

    yes, thank god they weren’t on the same plane… if it had gone down and killed the two of them, that idiot pelosi would be president.

  • JDc

    Our elected representatives gave hell to the auto execs when they flew into Washington on private planes when their companies were unprofitable. There is no entity in the world with a larger negative cash flow than our federal government. Do as I say, not as I do.

  • no one

    That was president and ex-president unfortunately

    • smartaleck

      not until Johnson took the oath, right? Anyway, I probably should not have been so callous about that terrible day.

  • no one

    That was president and ex-president unfortunately

    • smartaleck

      not until Johnson took the oath, right? Anyway, I probably should not have been so callous about that terrible day.

  • no one

    GoToMeetings.com anyone? 😉

    • Nonna Banonna

      Exactly…I like the "GotToMeetings.com" idea from "no one" very, very much. Obama and Biteme have as big a so called "carbon footprint" as Algore and the entire Military! We shouldn't allow them out of the US again. And let's rein in Pelosi and give her a unicycle if she wants to go home on weekends. Being a Senator or a Congressman was never intended by our forefathers to be a full-time job with perks like they've voted themselves. Build a dormitory in DC for them, and let them all fly home commercial, once a month, but on different airlines at different times on different days to stagger the possibility of all of them going nuts at once! LOL! I guarantee you they wouldn't bother with pork barrel stuff and would hurry to get things done so they can go back home to their constituents. (Ri-i-i-i-i-ght!) Maybe they'd actually find out what we really, really want from them.

  • no one

    GoToMeetings.com anyone? 😉

    • Nonna Banonna

      Exactly…I like the "GotToMeetings.com" idea from "no one" very, very much. Obama and Biteme have as big a so called "carbon footprint" as Algore and the entire Military! We shouldn't allow them out of the US again. And let's rein in Pelosi and give her a unicycle if she wants to go home on weekends. Being a Senator or a Congressman was never intended by our forefathers to be a full-time job with perks like they've voted themselves. Build a dormitory in DC for them, and let them all fly home commercial, once a month, but on different airlines at different times on different days to stagger the possibility of all of them going nuts at once! LOL! I guarantee you they wouldn't bother with pork barrel stuff and would hurry to get things done so they can go back home to their constituents. (Ri-i-i-i-i-ght!) Maybe they'd actually find out what we really, really want from them.

  • MP775

    "Meanwhile, Obama will be making a speech about new banking and finance regulations, a worthy subject, to be sure. Federal Hall on Wall Street, the site of George Washington’s first inauguration which stares directly at the doors of the New York Stock Exchange, would be the ideal location for this speech, but Obama will deliver it from…an art and engineering school? Any symbolism of delivering the speech in NYC is lost."

    There is no greater symbolic location for a political speech than The Great Hall at Cooper Union, especially one so in line with Peter Cooper's own Greenback Party.

  • MP775

    "Meanwhile, Obama will be making a speech about new banking and finance regulations, a worthy subject, to be sure. Federal Hall on Wall Street, the site of George Washington’s first inauguration which stares directly at the doors of the New York Stock Exchange, would be the ideal location for this speech, but Obama will deliver it from…an art and engineering school? Any symbolism of delivering the speech in NYC is lost."

    There is no greater symbolic location for a political speech than The Great Hall at Cooper Union, especially one so in line with Peter Cooper's own Greenback Party.

  • John Vedder

    Are you suggesting the President and Vice President should travel in the same plane?
    I guess you forgot why we have a President and Vice President.

    • Omarxist makes me want to forget why we have them……

  • John Vedder

    Are you suggesting the President and Vice President should travel in the same plane?
    I guess you forgot why we have a President and Vice President.

    • Omarxist makes me want to forget why we have them……

  • cebes

    Frivolous trips? Frivolous article. Inane, insipid and incongruous. Good job!

  • cebes

    Frivolous trips? Frivolous article. Inane, insipid and incongruous. Good job!

  • scott

    He can only make appearances in highly secure areas. No way he can speak outside.

  • scott

    He can only make appearances in highly secure areas. No way he can speak outside.

  • jabusse

    I want the prez and veep to fly different flights. Imagine if the plane crashed and burned…. PELOSI AS PREZ….. Our choices are pretty rotten aren't they?

  • jabusse

    I want the prez and veep to fly different flights. Imagine if the plane crashed and burned…. PELOSI AS PREZ….. Our choices are pretty rotten aren't they?

  • what happened to public service?

  • rich

    Amazing, you people are harping about the two plane issue when it was expressly stated that that should NOT be part of the conversation for obvious reasons. Lets focus on the rest of it. Some say train, others say yeah right. Do any of you remember the Queen of England was just on the train a few months ago? In fact she is on it on a regular basis. Lets be honest, she's harder to replace than the guys we're talking about here.

    The heart of the message is true though. Biden's trip is a complete waste. Let the view come to the white house, not the other way around.

  • rich

    Amazing, you people are harping about the two plane issue when it was expressly stated that that should NOT be part of the conversation for obvious reasons. Lets focus on the rest of it. Some say train, others say yeah right. Do any of you remember the Queen of England was just on the train a few months ago? In fact she is on it on a regular basis. Lets be honest, she's harder to replace than the guys we're talking about here.

    The heart of the message is true though. Biden's trip is a complete waste. Let the view come to the white house, not the other way around.

  • Silver Bullet

    I thought Superman could fly without a plane!

  • Silver Bullet

    I thought Superman could fly without a plane!

  • GJB5528

    Biden and Obama, B.O. BY ANY OTHER NAME IT WOULD STILL SMELL BAD.

  • GJB5528

    Biden and Obama, B.O. BY ANY OTHER NAME IT WOULD STILL SMELL BAD.

  • Wow…same thing happened to me last July. I saved my hard earned money that didn't already go to taxes for a really long time for a dream trip from Cleveland to Italy; but guess who decided to descend on Cleveland the day of my departure to convince us all that government taking over our health care is a really grand idea? So while my tax money got him where he wanted to be when he wanted to be there, I missed connecting flights, ended up in Poland trying to catch up with my traveling companions, and arrived in Italy 6 hours late. Needless to say, the party that was supposed to pick me up had long since given up, and I was stranded in Malpenza airport. All so he can take over my health care. Grrrrrrr……..

  • Wow…same thing happened to me last July. I saved my hard earned money that didn't already go to taxes for a really long time for a dream trip from Cleveland to Italy; but guess who decided to descend on Cleveland the day of my departure to convince us all that government taking over our health care is a really grand idea? So while my tax money got him where he wanted to be when he wanted to be there, I missed connecting flights, ended up in Poland trying to catch up with my traveling companions, and arrived in Italy 6 hours late. Needless to say, the party that was supposed to pick me up had long since given up, and I was stranded in Malpenza airport. All so he can take over my health care. Grrrrrrr……..

  • Bill Baker

    What a great statement it would have been for the President to give a speech to whomever from the oval office via the internet. He could have started by saying that he would have liked to be there in person but, in honor of earth day, he chose this form of presentation because it has the least carbon footprint possible. Of course this wouldn't have affected numerous travelers and cost bunches of money or shown him off as being kingly and above it all.

    Biden could have done the same since he is probably on for 6 minutes or less.

    These clowns really baffle me.

  • Bill Baker

    What a great statement it would have been for the President to give a speech to whomever from the oval office via the internet. He could have started by saying that he would have liked to be there in person but, in honor of earth day, he chose this form of presentation because it has the least carbon footprint possible. Of course this wouldn't have affected numerous travelers and cost bunches of money or shown him off as being kingly and above it all.

    Biden could have done the same since he is probably on for 6 minutes or less.

    These clowns really baffle me.

  • Poor Richard

    Hey folks…This is the President of the United States. Thank God and the blood of patriots that allow us to bitch at him…Not the man…But the office….It aint free….

  • Poor Richard

    Hey folks…This is the President of the United States. Thank God and the blood of patriots that allow us to bitch at him…Not the man…But the office….It aint free….

  • Shoulda flown to the Soviet uhh I mean Russia to visit Lenin's tomb instead.

    That's what Earth day is really about. They only flew to NYC to make soundbites for the next news cycle.

  • Shoulda flown to the Soviet uhh I mean Russia to visit Lenin's tomb instead.

    That's what Earth day is really about. They only flew to NYC to make soundbites for the next news cycle.

  • P-Gunna

    It's sad that you have to put in a big **DISCLAIMER** to criticize the actions of the President. Looks like people are still scared of a mainstream media backlash against their messiah, Barack Obama. What is this country coming to….

  • P-Gunna

    It's sad that you have to put in a big **DISCLAIMER** to criticize the actions of the President. Looks like people are still scared of a mainstream media backlash against their messiah, Barack Obama. What is this country coming to….

  • Garland1

    New York voted for these clowns.

    Remember the good old days? The only thing that happened on Earth Day was Donald Trump planting Marla Maples.

  • Garland1

    New York voted for these clowns.

    Remember the good old days? The only thing that happened on Earth Day was Donald Trump planting Marla Maples.

  • Guest

    The president and vice president never travel anywhere together. I can not recall any president traveling with the vice president.

    • smartaleck

      Kennedy and Johnson. Unfortunately, that was on a flight from Dallas to DC…..

    • I wouldn't want to travel with Biden, for excruciating want of intelligent conversation….

  • Guest

    The president and vice president never travel anywhere together. I can not recall any president traveling with the vice president.

    • smartaleck

      Kennedy and Johnson. Unfortunately, that was on a flight from Dallas to DC…..

    • I wouldn't want to travel with Biden, for excruciating want of intelligent conversation….

  • Irony of ironies…they won't support a "National Prayer Day" but do celebrate "Earth Day"…I just flashed back to time in history where pagan people worshiped trees. How far is it from Celebrating "Earth Day" to "Earth Day" worship?

    • Guest

      James Cameron is a step ahead of you… trees and seedpods as keepers of holy spirits= Avatar

  • Irony of ironies…they won't support a "National Prayer Day" but do celebrate "Earth Day"…I just flashed back to time in history where pagan people worshiped trees. How far is it from Celebrating "Earth Day" to "Earth Day" worship?

    • Guest

      James Cameron is a step ahead of you… trees and seedpods as keepers of holy spirits= Avatar

  • Bagbalm

    Are the peasants allowed to go outside and look at these planes? Might not they be spotters for terrorists? Everybody should be on lock-down inside!

  • Bagbalm

    Are the peasants allowed to go outside and look at these planes? Might not they be spotters for terrorists? Everybody should be on lock-down inside!

  • Edward

    Is anyone pretending to believe we have a need for extreme security to protect Joe Biden? Jeez, nobody cares about that doofus enough to wish him any harm. He could ride from DC to NYC in the back of a pickup truck and nothing would happen to him.

    Keeping Barry out of Air Force One is impossible. He probably has to be talked out of flying on AF 1 to a golf course 10 miles away in Virginia to play a round, though I'm sure he gets faint consolation from the thought of a dozen or so 10 mpg SUVs and two or three limos racing through traffic to get him to the first tee. Maybe it even inspires him to sing a verse or two of If They Could See Me Now.

  • Edward

    Is anyone pretending to believe we have a need for extreme security to protect Joe Biden? Jeez, nobody cares about that doofus enough to wish him any harm. He could ride from DC to NYC in the back of a pickup truck and nothing would happen to him.

    Keeping Barry out of Air Force One is impossible. He probably has to be talked out of flying on AF 1 to a golf course 10 miles away in Virginia to play a round, though I'm sure he gets faint consolation from the thought of a dozen or so 10 mpg SUVs and two or three limos racing through traffic to get him to the first tee. Maybe it even inspires him to sing a verse or two of If They Could See Me Now.

  • Bob

    It is normal they are no supposed to be on the same aircraft. Duhhhh

  • Reason for two separate planes is because the prez and v.prez cannot ever fly on the same plane in case of an air disaster.

    BUT WHY IN THE HELL ARE THEY BOTH FLYING TO NYC IN THE FIRST PLACE? Absolutely insane. Absolutely f'ing insane!

    • Bob

      Ok, next time that there is a repub convention that everyone needs to attend, you'll suggest that just one person fly in and all the others will need alt transportation, right?

      • Not sure exactly what you are trying (unsuccessfully) to say. First of all, why make mention of a 'repub convention'? My comment had nothing to do with either political party. And secondly, this is NOT about a convention. Biden is appearing on TV and Obama is pushing his Wall Street agenda…on Wall Street.

        My question was why they are both flying to NYC on the same day at the same time to do two different things. Were they flying to a "convention that everyone needs to attend" as your argument seems to ask? I don't f'ing think so. Seems to me that if it was REALLY important for Biden to appear on a silly TV show like the View, his appearance could have been scheduled on a different day. D'oh.

        For the President and Vice President to wreak havoc on air traffic in one of the busiest airports in the world, and to do it on EARTH DAY means (at least to me) that this government is hypocritical, dogmatic, and enamored with itself. And, as it has shown time and again, will do what it wants, when it wants and f the people and what they want.

        I am…the Grouchy Man

  • Reason for two separate planes is because the prez and v.prez cannot ever fly on the same plane in case of an air disaster.

    BUT WHY IN THE HELL ARE THEY BOTH FLYING TO NYC IN THE FIRST PLACE? Absolutely insane. Absolutely f'ing insane!

    • Bob

      Ok, next time that there is a repub convention that everyone needs to attend, you'll suggest that just one person fly in and all the others will need alt transportation, right?

      • Not sure exactly what you are trying (unsuccessfully) to say. First of all, why make mention of a 'repub convention'? My comment had nothing to do with either political party. And secondly, this is NOT about a convention. Biden is appearing on TV and Obama is pushing his Wall Street agenda…on Wall Street.

        My question was why they are both flying to NYC on the same day at the same time to do two different things. Were they flying to a "convention that everyone needs to attend" as your argument seems to ask? I don't f'ing think so. Seems to me that if it was REALLY important for Biden to appear on a silly TV show like the View, his appearance could have been scheduled on a different day. D'oh.

        For the President and Vice President to wreak havoc on air traffic in one of the busiest airports in the world, and to do it on EARTH DAY means (at least to me) that this government is hypocritical, dogmatic, and enamored with itself. And, as it has shown time and again, will do what it wants, when it wants and f the people and what they want.

        I am…the Grouchy Man

  • Bob

    It is normal they are no supposed to be on the same aircraft. Duhhhh

  • Bevis and Butthead wasting the tax payers money once again. Fu***** liberal idiots!!

  • Bevis and Butthead wasting the tax payers money once again. Fu***** liberal idiots!!

  • Dennis

    Ok look at the bright side…… he's out of the office.

  • Dennis

    Ok look at the bright side…… he's out of the office.

  • jRichardson

    Hey at least he is only tying up your airspace and roads for one day. When he comes here to Asheville, NC this weekend, all private aviation and hot air balloon flights will be prohibited. This includes a tethered hot air balloon that was going to be used to provide entertainment for RiverLink's Earth Day Saturday celebration. How green is that?

  • jRichardson

    Hey at least he is only tying up your airspace and roads for one day. When he comes here to Asheville, NC this weekend, all private aviation and hot air balloon flights will be prohibited. This includes a tethered hot air balloon that was going to be used to provide entertainment for RiverLink's Earth Day Saturday celebration. How green is that?

  • guest

    obama spoke at federal hall already – back in the fall.

    • Matt Molnar

      You're right he did, but inside…kinda boring.

  • guest

    obama spoke at federal hall already – back in the fall.

    • Matt Molnar

      You're right he did, but inside…kinda boring.

  • x x

    President Obama could do everything correctly, start world peace, save a baby from a burning building, and balance the national budget and you people would still complain. You are the same people that would defend the stupid stuff GW would do.

  • x x

    President Obama could do everything correctly, start world peace, save a baby from a burning building, and balance the national budget and you people would still complain. You are the same people that would defend the stupid stuff GW would do.

  • I see it has already been addressed but I also see "bonehead" comments that lead me to believe that it must be said again. You never put the POTUS and VPOTUS on the same flight. The Polish crash had not only the Pres but the army chief of staff, national bank president, deputy foreign minister, army chaplain, head of the National Security Office, deputy parliament speaker, civil rights commissioner and at least two presidential aides and three lawmakers all on the same plane that went down.
    Some of these comments are insane.

    • Matman

      darbydooble….the Poles just wanted to clean house….they wanted new leaders, looks like the Poles are on to something here………….maybe we should be more like Europe and give it a try……after all the Obummer keeps pointing at them saying how much better their system is…..

      • darbydoodle

        "Obummer", that's the most creative one yet!
        Maybe you're right about the Poles cleaning house!
        It's amusing because I've been accused of wanting to pick my social reform 'a la carte. And maybe I do. Totally off topic but as a woman the thought of a state paid nanny would make the reality of motherhood an actual reality. But Obummer for me, I'm not French. Oh and if I were a Kraut, I could educate said unborn child and not go bankrupt. But I'm here, trying to work a full time job, support myself, pay to finish the college education I have now run out of money for (second time around). And never afford the luxury item of being a mother. Maybe we should follow the Europeans. 🙂

  • I see it has already been addressed but I also see "bonehead" comments that lead me to believe that it must be said again. You never put the POTUS and VPOTUS on the same flight. The Polish crash had not only the Pres but the army chief of staff, national bank president, deputy foreign minister, army chaplain, head of the National Security Office, deputy parliament speaker, civil rights commissioner and at least two presidential aides and three lawmakers all on the same plane that went down.
    Some of these comments are insane.

    • Matman

      darbydooble….the Poles just wanted to clean house….they wanted new leaders, looks like the Poles are on to something here………….maybe we should be more like Europe and give it a try……after all the Obummer keeps pointing at them saying how much better their system is…..

      • darbydoodle

        "Obummer", that's the most creative one yet!
        Maybe you're right about the Poles cleaning house!
        It's amusing because I've been accused of wanting to pick my social reform 'a la carte. And maybe I do. Totally off topic but as a woman the thought of a state paid nanny would make the reality of motherhood an actual reality. But Obummer for me, I'm not French. Oh and if I were a Kraut, I could educate said unborn child and not go bankrupt. But I'm here, trying to work a full time job, support myself, pay to finish the college education I have now run out of money for (second time around). And never afford the luxury item of being a mother. Maybe we should follow the Europeans. 🙂

  • John

    The train is a foolish alternative. Federal, state and local law enforcement would have to secure the entire track from DC to New York, every station, overpass, tunnel, passing trains, and houses and buildings which they pass. The train seems like less of a carbon footprint until you think of all the work that would go into making sure it is totally secure. Security aside, it would disrupt the entire rail system for passengers and freight shipments all up and down the coast.

    Perhaps the better option would have been to just take their helicopters and land at a location which is less disruptive than the airports.

  • John

    The train is a foolish alternative. Federal, state and local law enforcement would have to secure the entire track from DC to New York, every station, overpass, tunnel, passing trains, and houses and buildings which they pass. The train seems like less of a carbon footprint until you think of all the work that would go into making sure it is totally secure. Security aside, it would disrupt the entire rail system for passengers and freight shipments all up and down the coast.

    Perhaps the better option would have been to just take their helicopters and land at a location which is less disruptive than the airports.

  • John

    Though actually the helicopters are not possible. The media, who will likely promote this story, are the reasons they had to take massive aircraft because the media demands that they be provided with transportation to follow the president around. They would have a fit if he took Marine One and left them to drive or take the train. So when the media, CNN or FOX News blasts the President for taking Air Force One remember it is because of the media that he had to fly.

  • John

    Though actually the helicopters are not possible. The media, who will likely promote this story, are the reasons they had to take massive aircraft because the media demands that they be provided with transportation to follow the president around. They would have a fit if he took Marine One and left them to drive or take the train. So when the media, CNN or FOX News blasts the President for taking Air Force One remember it is because of the media that he had to fly.

  • Nice article, except for the part where you miss the significance of him speaking at Cooper Union. Not just "an art and engineering school", it is the very place where Abraham Lincoln (who Obama styles himself as being like unto) made one of his three most famous speeches.

    • Matt Molnar

      Duly noted. Was not aware of that, thanks. 🙂

  • Nice article, except for the part where you miss the significance of him speaking at Cooper Union. Not just "an art and engineering school", it is the very place where Abraham Lincoln (who Obama styles himself as being like unto) made one of his three most famous speeches.

    • Matt Molnar

      Duly noted. Was not aware of that, thanks. 🙂

  • COMoutainguy

    Obama lecturing Wall Street on money and regulations. Heh POTUS how arrogant do you have to be to lecture people about something you know nothing about. Ever had a job in the private sector? No? Then who are you to lecture anybody. Maybe you should have read your speech first and not wasted the money to go to NYC. As for Biden? A TV show. Don't you have a funeral to attend or something?

  • COMoutainguy

    Obama lecturing Wall Street on money and regulations. Heh POTUS how arrogant do you have to be to lecture people about something you know nothing about. Ever had a job in the private sector? No? Then who are you to lecture anybody. Maybe you should have read your speech first and not wasted the money to go to NYC. As for Biden? A TV show. Don't you have a funeral to attend or something?

  • TheRightWay

    So what's the solution, dill weed? I'm as right wing as they come, but I would prefer to have Obama or Biden in charge over Nancy Pelosi anyday. This piece of trash article irritates me. Please go crawl into a hole and stop embarrassing real conservatives who aren't politicians and don't fling mud like one.

  • TheRightWay

    So what's the solution, dill weed? I'm as right wing as they come, but I would prefer to have Obama or Biden in charge over Nancy Pelosi anyday. This piece of trash article irritates me. Please go crawl into a hole and stop embarrassing real conservatives who aren't politicians and don't fling mud like one.

  • chris

    The president and vice president DO NOT travel together so both cannot be taken out at the same time. A military tactic called "disperal of assets". Nice try, moron.

  • chris

    The president and vice president DO NOT travel together so both cannot be taken out at the same time. A military tactic called "disperal of assets". Nice try, moron.

  • ronald

    This headline/caption tinges the journalistic hues to yellow.

  • ronald

    This headline/caption tinges the journalistic hues to yellow.

  • I understand the President's need for the VC-25, and while I know the Veep traditionally flies the C-32A, could he not reduce his aircraft to a C-40B, which can carry his staff & limited press? The C-40B has been used as Air Force Two quite a few times and uses less fuel than the C-32A (although not much less fuel, it is still less fuel).

    Having the two in town at the same time is problematic , unless it is for a National event or attending the United Nations (POTUS & VPOTUS rarely if ever attend the UN at the same time).

    -Fish

  • I understand the President's need for the VC-25, and while I know the Veep traditionally flies the C-32A, could he not reduce his aircraft to a C-40B, which can carry his staff & limited press? The C-40B has been used as Air Force Two quite a few times and uses less fuel than the C-32A (although not much less fuel, it is still less fuel).

    Having the two in town at the same time is problematic , unless it is for a National event or attending the United Nations (POTUS & VPOTUS rarely if ever attend the UN at the same time).

    -Fish

  • Haveityourway

    Think about this and understand these clowns don't care about the US. They want to tear it down and turn it upside down while redistributing our wealth. Worrying about how the impact of their dual visits is well down on the list of their concerns.

  • Haveityourway

    Think about this and understand these clowns don't care about the US. They want to tear it down and turn it upside down while redistributing our wealth. Worrying about how the impact of their dual visits is well down on the list of their concerns.

  • Joey

    Really? Berating the President of the United States and his VP for taking separate planes? Lol…should they all pile in one like the Polish President? I'm sure a bunch of the haters on here would LOVE that… :rolleyes:

  • Joey

    Really? Berating the President of the United States and his VP for taking separate planes? Lol…should they all pile in one like the Polish President? I'm sure a bunch of the haters on here would LOVE that… :rolleyes:

  • I wish Republicans were smart enough to figure out that the President has to fly. Oh yes I just said two words that don't really go together smart and republicans, those two words don't belong in the same sentence. http://www.thethrifters.net

  • I wish Republicans were smart enough to figure out that the President has to fly. Oh yes I just said two words that don't really go together smart and republicans, those two words don't belong in the same sentence. http://www.thethrifters.net

  • Leonard

    Obama can do anything and it is all right by 1/2 of America.
    Go to war; destroy American's natural heritage, GOLF more than Tiger Woods, borrow trillions that OTHER PEOPLE will have to pay back. You name it; he's got a free ticket to ruin everything.
    Pathetic really.

    • guest

      Bush got us into war. Destroy what? Golf? Reduce nuclear weapons. Get health care for all Americans. Bail out the banks instead of letting us go into a huge depression…

  • Leonard

    Obama can do anything and it is all right by 1/2 of America.
    Go to war; destroy American's natural heritage, GOLF more than Tiger Woods, borrow trillions that OTHER PEOPLE will have to pay back. You name it; he's got a free ticket to ruin everything.
    Pathetic really.

    • guest

      Bush got us into war. Destroy what? Golf? Reduce nuclear weapons. Get health care for all Americans. Bail out the banks instead of letting us go into a huge depression…

  • Gator

    Air Force One and Two always go on Presidential trips but President Obama likes to fly as much as he can it feeds his ego.

  • Gator

    Air Force One and Two always go on Presidential trips but President Obama likes to fly as much as he can it feeds his ego.

  • no one

    Let all 3 ride together – Hilary would be an improvement!

  • no one

    Let all 3 ride together – Hilary would be an improvement!

  • How about staying home, shutting up, getting that finger out of my face and working on JOBS and ways to SAVE money!

  • How about staying home, shutting up, getting that finger out of my face and working on JOBS and ways to SAVE money!

  • Mr. Trashcan

    Since Mr. Molnar felt it necessary to provide the disclaimer about being critical of any president flying to NY and disrupting life, he obviously believes that Republican presidents did it, as well. So maybe he can provide us with the examples he had in mind. I googled and couldn't find any links about either Bush flying to NY. They apparently didn't feel the need to be center of attention the way the narcissists in office do today.

    • Matt Molnar

      Bush did fly to New York a couple times a year (we have plenty of photos of AF1 at JFK), but that's not the issue.
      The issue is POTUS and VPOTUS flying here on the same day, tying up traffic at two airports and multiple sectors of the city simultaneously.

  • Mr. Trashcan

    Since Mr. Molnar felt it necessary to provide the disclaimer about being critical of any president flying to NY and disrupting life, he obviously believes that Republican presidents did it, as well. So maybe he can provide us with the examples he had in mind. I googled and couldn't find any links about either Bush flying to NY. They apparently didn't feel the need to be center of attention the way the narcissists in office do today.

    • Matt Molnar

      Bush did fly to New York a couple times a year (we have plenty of photos of AF1 at JFK), but that's not the issue.
      The issue is POTUS and VPOTUS flying here on the same day, tying up traffic at two airports and multiple sectors of the city simultaneously.

  • joe

    crazy!

  • joe

    crazy!

  • Jon

    Dip ans sh-t . . Screwing up everything they do.

  • Jon

    Dip ans sh-t . . Screwing up everything they do.

  • Obama made a predictably phony speech in which he chastised the very banksters who funded his campaign. He might have well as blown the banksters a kiss from DC using CCTV. This PR stunt was as transparent as a WWE wrestling match, though the WWE admits what it does is just an act.

  • Obama made a predictably phony speech in which he chastised the very banksters who funded his campaign. He might have well as blown the banksters a kiss from DC using CCTV. This PR stunt was as transparent as a WWE wrestling match, though the WWE admits what it does is just an act.

  • DJW

    and why couldnt the Barbara go to Washington for the show rather than having Biden go to NYC?
    She and her peeps could take the train and and cause no disruption..

  • DJW

    and why couldnt the Barbara go to Washington for the show rather than having Biden go to NYC?
    She and her peeps could take the train and and cause no disruption..

  • Mike

    It's Earth Day…a freaking Liberal holiday. There's no way you can keep the two top libs from spending, spending, spending all for show. When you think about it, this little meaningless junket cost us millions. I know you libs will say, "Well Bush did it too." I agree. But damn! Barry and Joe were all about "Change". CHAANNGGEEEEEEE! B.S. IT's all the same.

    It's all about Elitists and their need to show off.

  • Mike

    It's Earth Day…a freaking Liberal holiday. There's no way you can keep the two top libs from spending, spending, spending all for show. When you think about it, this little meaningless junket cost us millions. I know you libs will say, "Well Bush did it too." I agree. But damn! Barry and Joe were all about "Change". CHAANNGGEEEEEEE! B.S. IT's all the same.

    It's all about Elitists and their need to show off.

  • Tom

    It looks like the NYPD stole a bunch of people's bikes because they thought they could be pipe bombs.
    http://www.thisisfyf.com/2010/04/happy-fucking-ea

  • Tom

    It looks like the NYPD stole a bunch of people's bikes because they thought they could be pipe bombs.
    http://www.thisisfyf.com/2010/04/happy-fucking-ea

  • Bear

    Earth Day is BS. Nothing but a gaia worshipping, communist/socialist, totalitarian control trick. Research it's beginnings, then read "The Environmental Handbook" by ~ Budd Hopkins (Author), Garrett De Bell (Author)

    The "elitists" don't give a rusty rodent's rump about it, but they want YOU to.

  • Bear

    Earth Day is BS. Nothing but a gaia worshipping, communist/socialist, totalitarian control trick. Research it's beginnings, then read "The Environmental Handbook" by ~ Budd Hopkins (Author), Garrett De Bell (Author)

    The "elitists" don't give a rusty rodent's rump about it, but they want YOU to.

  • KBB

    What's wrong with Biden and Obama taking the same plane?? Maybe the rest of us will get lucky.

  • KBB

    What's wrong with Biden and Obama taking the same plane?? Maybe the rest of us will get lucky.

  • Nick

    what else would you expect from these 2 phony hypocites!

  • Nick

    what else would you expect from these 2 phony hypocites!

  • Jack Ziegler

    Won't you bunch of whiners just shut the hell up. Where were you when Bush was flying to Crawford every other weekend? I seem to remember Bush 1, Bush 2, Reagan, Carter, Clinton, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, JFK, Ike, HST, FDR all visiting NYC, most of them by plane. Remember 54% of the American people voted for Barrack Obama and Joe Biden. Your side lost, so live with it!

    Obama has done more for this country in 16 months then GW Bush did in 8 years, his wimpy father in 4, and the senile old fool Reagan in 8.

    • Tony

      What ever you say Comrade Commie Jack Zieglar! 🙂 Will you say the same when your side loses?

  • Jack Ziegler

    Won't you bunch of whiners just shut the hell up. Where were you when Bush was flying to Crawford every other weekend? I seem to remember Bush 1, Bush 2, Reagan, Carter, Clinton, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, JFK, Ike, HST, FDR all visiting NYC, most of them by plane. Remember 54% of the American people voted for Barrack Obama and Joe Biden. Your side lost, so live with it!

    Obama has done more for this country in 16 months then GW Bush did in 8 years, his wimpy father in 4, and the senile old fool Reagan in 8.

    • Tony

      What ever you say Comrade Commie Jack Zieglar! 🙂 Will you say the same when your side loses?

  • Scott

    Everyone seems to be missing the fact that Obama's appearance in New York HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH EARTH DAY. He was there to talk about regulations that would prevent Wall Street risk takers from bringing us to the abyss once again. His plane was bringing him to NYC to deal with important business. Jesus Christ — do you people even read the news?!

    • Tony

      Yes… I know why he was there. He is continuing his quest to destroy the free market system in the world to bring about total control of the world by Communism. We will soon be subjects instead of citizens. Am I close Scott?

  • Scott

    Everyone seems to be missing the fact that Obama's appearance in New York HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH EARTH DAY. He was there to talk about regulations that would prevent Wall Street risk takers from bringing us to the abyss once again. His plane was bringing him to NYC to deal with important business. Jesus Christ — do you people even read the news?!

    • Tony

      Yes… I know why he was there. He is continuing his quest to destroy the free market system in the world to bring about total control of the world by Communism. We will soon be subjects instead of citizens. Am I close Scott?

  • They should change Earth Day to Carbon Emissions Day to celebrate all the Global Warming spazzes flying around in their private jets.

    Check out this hilarious "Global Disastrification" parody: http://www.funnyconservatives.com/?p=89

  • They should change Earth Day to Carbon Emissions Day to celebrate all the Global Warming spazzes flying around in their private jets.

    Check out this hilarious "Global Disastrification" parody: http://www.funnyconservatives.com/?p=89

  • Of course Obama and Biden will do things that don't support what they say, politicians have been practicing this for years! It's time we all stand up! Everyone has a voice, so let's use them! We all see this nation sinking by the minute, let's use our voices, logic and non-violence to show these America-killing jokes in Washington to bring back the real America! It's now or never to bring back our sacred republic!
    http://www.logicamerica.blogspot.com

  • Of course Obama and Biden will do things that don't support what they say, politicians have been practicing this for years! It's time we all stand up! Everyone has a voice, so let's use them! We all see this nation sinking by the minute, let's use our voices, logic and non-violence to show these America-killing jokes in Washington to bring back the real America! It's now or never to bring back our sacred republic!
    http://www.logicamerica.blogspot.com

  • guest

    This is a retarded article, they must have nothing else to complain about right now so they're reaching. I am not an Obama supporter but this is just dumn.

  • guest

    This is a retarded article, they must have nothing else to complain about right now so they're reaching. I am not an Obama supporter but this is just dumn.

  • Who will pay for Air Force one’s carbon credits if they ever impose taxes on it?

    Oh, the tax payers? Sweet.

  • Who will pay for Air Force one’s carbon credits if they ever impose taxes on it?

    Oh, the tax payers? Sweet.

  • SR

    It’s frivolous arguments like this that cheapen any real arguments people try and make against this administration.

    No, it would not be as effective to broadcast from the Oval Office rather than immerse themselves with the people. Common sense and mere basic understanding of the American public should be enough to figure that out. It’s actually counterproductive and put-offish to dissassociate yourself in the Oval Office.

    Would it always be more environmentally friendly and less disruptive to sit in the Oval Office? Umm yeah I guess so, but that just proves you are totally missing the point.

  • SR

    It’s frivolous arguments like this that cheapen any real arguments people try and make against this administration.

    No, it would not be as effective to broadcast from the Oval Office rather than immerse themselves with the people. Common sense and mere basic understanding of the American public should be enough to figure that out. It’s actually counterproductive and put-offish to dissassociate yourself in the Oval Office.

    Would it always be more environmentally friendly and less disruptive to sit in the Oval Office? Umm yeah I guess so, but that just proves you are totally missing the point.

  • J. Dean

    We are not at all surprised – never have we had an administration that has conducted its affairs with so little consideration of our public welfare. It’s a great scandal.

  • J. Dean

    We are not at all surprised – never have we had an administration that has conducted its affairs with so little consideration of our public welfare. It’s a great scandal.

  • Guest

    After "Drill baby, Drill", its funny to watch repubs act like they care about earth day.

    • Tony

      I believe in being good stewards of the environment, but I am sick of your Environmental Lies.

  • Guest

    After "Drill baby, Drill", its funny to watch repubs act like they care about earth day.

    • Tony

      I believe in being good stewards of the environment, but I am sick of your Environmental Lies.

  • Kire

    Bipartisan post??? right….

  • Kire

    Bipartisan post??? right….

  • Kire

    Bipartisan post??? right….

  • Kire

    Bipartisan post??? right….

  • Laure Alexsis

    All you people bitching! You make me sick! You are stupid and ignorant beyond believe! My President is the best President we had in a long time. Thank God for him. He will clean up the mess brought on by Bush and set this country of ours straight again, but sorry it will take time. Took Bush 8 years to mess it up. So don't go blaming Barack Obama and Joe Biden, they are finally doing the right thing for our country. We are trillions in debt because of Bush! No one can argue with that! It is the absolute truth. Now shut up you dirtbags!

    • Tony

      You must be a Communist/Progressive/Fascist Laure or you don't know what it is! When you realize you are supporting the people who will take away your freedom, you will change your mind. God Bless Ignorance!

  • Laure Alexsis

    All you people bitching! You make me sick! You are stupid and ignorant beyond believe! My President is the best President we had in a long time. Thank God for him. He will clean up the mess brought on by Bush and set this country of ours straight again, but sorry it will take time. Took Bush 8 years to mess it up. So don't go blaming Barack Obama and Joe Biden, they are finally doing the right thing for our country. We are trillions in debt because of Bush! No one can argue with that! It is the absolute truth. Now shut up you dirtbags!

    • Tony

      You must be a Communist/Progressive/Fascist Laure or you don't know what it is! When you realize you are supporting the people who will take away your freedom, you will change your mind. God Bless Ignorance!

  • Tony

    Just for the record, remember this post for the future. IF you support Obama, your supporting Communism, Progressiveism. or Fascism or you don't know what that is. And they will turn on you and take your freedom away. Don't you know that such phrases as "Social Justice" "Economic Justice" "Environmental Justice" are Communist phrases? Wake up before it is too late!

  • Tony

    Just for the record, remember this post for the future. IF you support Obama, your supporting Communism, Progressiveism. or Fascism or you don't know what that is. And they will turn on you and take your freedom away. Don't you know that such phrases as "Social Justice" "Economic Justice" "Environmental Justice" are Communist phrases? Wake up before it is too late!

  • edwardo

    A pontificating potentate, with extreme hubris, he could have taken the train, or the helo? or the limos? or his bike.

  • edwardo

    A pontificating potentate, with extreme hubris, he could have taken the train, or the helo? or the limos? or his bike.

  • patriotfirst

    I don’t like the President and Vice President, but the reason why they travel in seperate planes is for their safety. We don’t want to have what happened to Poland happen to us(losing most of their government officials). Our country would be put in shock. Also, people would see that our politicians are just mere mortals like the rest of us.

  • patriotfirst

    I don’t like the President and Vice President, but the reason why they travel in seperate planes is for their safety. We don’t want to have what happened to Poland happen to us(losing most of their government officials). Our country would be put in shock. Also, people would see that our politicians are just mere mortals like the rest of us.

  • bob

    the potus and vpotus cant be on the same plane in case it fails

  • bob

    the potus and vpotus cant be on the same plane in case it fails

  • Darrel

    Typical of the Obama Administration. Push cap and trade for the peons, while flaunting horrendous waste of resources for minor events and showboating.

  • Darrel

    Typical of the Obama Administration. Push cap and trade for the peons, while flaunting horrendous waste of resources for minor events and showboating.

  • Rocco

    There go fields of zero-efficient ethanol crops, up in fumes; all burnt up on Earth Day.

    Do you really need more proof of the arrogance of this Thug?

    How's that Hoax and Change working for you?

  • Rocco

    There go fields of zero-efficient ethanol crops, up in fumes; all burnt up on Earth Day.

    Do you really need more proof of the arrogance of this Thug?

    How's that Hoax and Change working for you?

  • Hot Air: Obamateurism of the Day http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/23/obamateuris

  • Hot Air: Obamateurism of the Day http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/23/obamateuris

  • This whole scam is just for us slaves not the elites. That is why they are coming up with crazy laws and ignoring the Constitution. Earth day is a celebration of the birth of lenin. idiots !

  • This whole scam is just for us slaves not the elites. That is why they are coming up with crazy laws and ignoring the Constitution. Earth day is a celebration of the birth of lenin. idiots !

  • Frankie

    S-W-E-E-T!!

  • Frankie

    S-W-E-E-T!!

  • The President and Vice President are never flown on the same plane for security reasons. Yay for ignorant backlash.

  • The President and Vice President are never flown on the same plane for security reasons. Yay for ignorant backlash.

  • RAFIKI

    YOU PEOPLE ARE A BUNCH OF A-HOLES THAT HAVE NO VIABLE SOLUTIONS TO SOMETHING THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE. ITS PART OF THE PRESIDENCY. DEAL WITH IT. IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING DECENT TO SAY SHUT THE EFF UP.

  • RAFIKI

    YOU PEOPLE ARE A BUNCH OF A-HOLES THAT HAVE NO VIABLE SOLUTIONS TO SOMETHING THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE. ITS PART OF THE PRESIDENCY. DEAL WITH IT. IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING DECENT TO SAY SHUT THE EFF UP.

  • Hi all,

    I think we already waste enough resources together as it is, why do they continue to exhaust our mother earth’s resources this way!
    I we are not careful our grandchildren will surely pay the price!

    best regards
    admin Madcashcentral.com

  • Hi all,

    I think we already waste enough resources together as it is, why do they continue to exhaust our mother earth’s resources this way!
    I we are not careful our grandchildren will surely pay the price!

    best regards
    admin Madcashcentral.com

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  • WOW, the comments are better than the article.. who would have thought this would strike such a nerve.

  • Anonymous

    Sooo funny, Obama complains about corporate jets, and look at what he flies around in!! hahahaha

    http://www.eatingmerry.com

  • Stop trolling ppl!

  • Hey everybody,

    Traveling by airplane can be fast and it saves a lot of time. I think that if you need it is there available for you to use. Maybe if they had a different kind of fuel that would be cool. Well I love airplanes and if it wasn’t for my fright of heights. I would probably try to get a flying lessons.

    Truly yours,
    Wilfredo
    http://skypefxtraders.blogspot.com

  • I am not surprised at all because we never had an administration that has conducted its affairs with so little consideration of our public welfare. It’s a great scandal http://spektrumdunia.blogspot.com/2013/03/konsumen-cerdas-paham-perlindungan.html http://spektrumdunia.blogspot.com/2013/03/iconia-pc-tablet-dengan-windows-8.html

  • grosir gamis murah

    terima kasih untuk informasinya dan semoga sukses selalu